Picture a room in rural Germany around 1810. A woman is telling a story to a young man who writes it down as she speaks. In her version, Snow White’s own mother wants the girl dead. Rapunzel notices her dress growing tight around the belly and cannot think why. Cinderella’s stepsisters take a knife to their own feet to force them into the shoe. Nothing about this is a children’s story, and it was never meant to be.
The tales are far older than the books that made them famous
Folklorists long assumed that most fairy tales were written down shortly after they were invented, making them a few hundred years old. In January 2016, that assumption took a serious hit.
Sara Graça da Silva, a folklorist at the New University of Lisbon, and Jamshid Tehrani, an anthropologist at Durham University, published a study in Royal Society Open Science that borrowed a tool from biology. Phylogenetic analysis reconstructs family trees for species by comparing traits. They applied it to 275 tale types from the Tales of Magic category of the Aarne-Thompson-Uther index, the standard catalogue folklorists use to classify stories worldwide.
What the tale-trees showed
Royal Society Open Science, 2016
Of 275 tale types analyzed, 76 could be traced back with reasonable confidence. Rather than tracking geography, the tales tracked language: stories traveled down family lines of Indo-European languages, which points to inheritance across generations rather than casual borrowing between neighbors.
The Smith and the Devil is the one the researchers felt most confident about. A blacksmith sells his soul for the power to weld any two things together, then uses that power to pin the devil down and keep his soul anyway. You may recognize the shape of it from Faust. If the dating holds, people were telling this story before anyone spoke Greek, Latin, or Sanskrit.
The finding is contested, as it should be. John Lindow, a folklorist at Berkeley, has pointed out that Proto-Indo-European may not have had a word for smith at all, which would undercut the claim that a tale about one goes back that far. Tehrani has argued back. The debate is live. What can be said is that the method is promising and the oldest dates are the least certain.
Cinderella was Chinese eight hundred years before she was French
The version most people know comes from Charles Perrault in 1697 or the Grimms in 1812. Both are latecomers.
In the ninth century, the Tang dynasty official and writer Duan Chengshi compiled a collection of strange tales called Youyang Zazu. One of them tells of a girl named Ye Xian, whose father dies and whose stepmother makes her fetch water from deep pools and firewood from dangerous heights.
Picture the room
A girl in southwestern China before the Qin, keeping a golden-eyed fish in a pond behind the house. It only surfaces for her. Her stepmother puts on her clothes to trick the fish into rising, kills it, cooks it, and buries the bones under a dung heap. A stranger descends from the sky and tells the girl where to dig, and that the bones will grant what she asks.
She asks for clothes fine enough to attend a festival. Hurrying home, she loses a slipper. The king of a nearby island kingdom finds it, searches for the foot that fits, and marries her. It is Cinderella, ATU 510A in the standard classification, roughly eight hundred years before Perrault and nine hundred before the Grimms.
The direction of travel is disputed. The translator Yang Xianyi argued the reverse: that the story reached China from the south seas, noting that Duan Chengshi’s informant came from the region of present-day Nanning, and suggesting the name Ye Xian could be a transliteration related to the German Aschen, meaning ashes. Other scholars disagree. What nobody disputes is that the oldest written Cinderella we possess is Chinese.
Versions of this tale exist across Europe, Asia, and Africa, in the hundreds. The girl by the hearth is not a European invention.
Many of these stories were never meant for children at all
The assumption that a folktale is a children’s story is a recent, and largely European, habit. Across much of the world, traditional narrative did work that had nothing to do with bedtime.
West and Central African traditions include an entire genre built for argument. The anthropologist William Bascom catalogued 168 of them in African Dilemma Tales in 1975, drawn from Hausa, Yoruba, Kpelle, Bambara, Mongo, Limba, Nupe, Temne and many other peoples.
The dilemma tale
Across many African societies
A dilemma tale ends not with a moral but with a question. The listeners are handed a difficult choice, usually with ethical or legal weight, and expected to argue it out. Sometimes the narrator gives a resolution afterward. Sometimes he refuses to.
One example: a man’s canoe capsizes mid-river, and he is in the water with his sister, his wife, and his mother-in-law. None of the three women can swim. Which does he save? A version recorded among the Bété weighs it out loud. Save your sister and let your wife drown, and you must pay bride-wealth all over again. Save your wife and abandon your sister, and your parents will never let you hear the end of it.
These are not stories that resolve. They are a technology for teaching people to reason about obligation in public, and to hold an argument without losing the room.
Anansi, the griots, and stories as property
Among the Akan of Ghana, the trickster spider Anansi gives his name to an entire body of narrative, the Anansesem, spider stories. In the best-known of them, all the stories in the world belong to the sky god Nyame, and Anansi has to buy them: he must deliver the python Onini, the leopard Osebo, a nest of hornets, and a forest spirit. He does it by cunning rather than strength, and the stories pass into human hands.
Consider what that tale is actually about. Stories are treated as property, held by a god, obtained at great cost, and then released to everyone. It is a story about who owns storytelling, told by people who took the question seriously.
Further north, the griots of West Africa, women as well as men, carried hereditary responsibility for genealogy, history, and the epic of Sundiata, the thirteenth-century founder of the Mali empire. That is a political and legal archive maintained in performance, closer to a national record office than to a nursery.
When Akan people were taken to the Caribbean and the Americas, Anansi went with them, and eventually surfaced as Brer Rabbit. In those conditions the trickster carried a different charge: a small, weak creature outwitting a powerful one is a useful story to tell when you are owned by somebody. Bascom argued that African American folktales were rooted in African sources rather than simply borrowed from Europe.
The Pacific: stories that hold land, law, and lineage
In Hawaiian, moʻolelo is built from moʻo, a succession, and ʻōlelo, spoken language: a succession of spoken language. These narratives were performed formally in a chief’s court by trained orators, and informally anywhere at all.
What makes them difficult to translate is kaona, layered or hidden meaning. A single chant may carry three, four, or five readings at once, and which one you hear depends on what you already know. A Hawaiian proverb puts the stakes directly: in the word is life, in the word is death.
Kaona later became a means of survival. After the 1896 ban on Hawaiian-language instruction in schools, generations were cut off from narratives never translated into English, and layered meaning let people carry forbidden knowledge in plain hearing.
In Aotearoa, Māori whakapapa is genealogy, from papa, a flat surface, with the sense of laying things in layers. It records descent and connection through generations, and it does practical work: establishing kinship between groups and grounding rights to land. A recited genealogy is a legal instrument.
Set beside this, the idea that a traditional story is simply something soothing you tell a child looks like a narrow reading of a very large practice. These narratives trained judges, held title to land, preserved dynasties, and hid what could not be said aloud.
What the Grimm brothers actually did
Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm published Kinder- und Hausmärchen on 20 December 1812, with 86 tales, followed by 70 more in 1815. They were philologists collecting folk material, and they included scholarly prefaces and notes. The first edition was criticized precisely because, despite the title, it was not considered suitable for children.
Six further editions followed, up to the seventh in 1857, which grew to around 200 tales and became the version translated into more than 120 languages. Across those editions, mostly under Wilhelm’s hand, the collection was steadily reshaped.
In the 1812 Snow White and Hansel and Gretel, it is the children’s own mother who wants them dead. By 1857 she is a stepmother in both.
In the first Rapunzel, she gives herself away by asking why her clothes have grown tight. By 1857 the pregnancy is gone entirely, and she simply mentions the prince by accident.
Punishments for villains grew harsher across editions rather than milder. Snow White’s stepmother dances to death in red-hot iron shoes.
Pieces like “How Children Played at Slaughtering” did not survive into the polite editions.
Jack Zipes, who produced the first English translation of the complete 1812 and 1815 volumes, argues the change from mother to stepmother came because the Grimms held motherhood sacred, and notes a social reason too: many women died in childbirth, and remarriage to a much younger woman was common, so the resentful stepmother was a familiar figure rather than an invention.
The tales were softened in one direction and sharpened in another. Sexuality out, cruelty to villains in. That combination tells you these were edits made for a particular audience and a particular set of nineteenth-century anxieties, and had little to do with any neutral cleaning-up.
Why the older versions are worth knowing
Reading a tale closer to its collected form gives you something the polished version cannot:
- Language that is blunter, stranger, and more physical.
- Consequences that actually land, rather than being waved away.
- Symbolism that later editors smoothed off.
- A clearer sense of why the story was worth repeating for centuries.
The dark forest, the locked room, the impossible task, the parent who cannot protect you: these are not decoration. They are the shape of things every person eventually meets. Children respond to them strongly even when they cannot explain why, because a fairy tale hands a child a container for fear and a route out the other side.
Reading them with children today
None of this argues for handing a five-year-old the 1812 edition. It argues for taking the stories seriously. Choose editions suited to the age of the child, then talk about what happens rather than hurrying past it. Ask what they would have done. Ask why they think the character chose otherwise.
These tales have lasted thousands of years because they respect children enough to tell them the truth about difficulty, and then to show them someone getting through it. Reading them together honors that, and the conversation afterward is where most of the value sits.
Sources and further reading
- Sara Graça da Silva and Jamshid J. Tehrani, Comparative phylogenetic analyses uncover the ancient roots of Indo-European folktales, Royal Society Open Science, 20 January 2016
- Science News, No fairy tale: Origins of some famous stories go back thousands of years, including John Lindow’s objection
- Wikipedia, The Smith and the Devil, ATU 330
- Duan Chengshi, Youyang Zazu, 9th century, the tale of Ye Xian
- Chinese Wikipedia entries for 叶限 (Ye Xian) and 灰姑娘 (Cinderella), on dating and the Yang Xianyi hypothesis
- The Paper (澎湃新闻), 《文学史上的首篇“灰姑娘”童话——《叶限》》
- Jack Zipes, The Original Folk and Fairy Tales of the Brothers Grimm: The Complete First Edition, Princeton University Press
- The British Academy, Those saucy Grimms’ Fairy Tales that your mother never told you
- The Conversation, Reader beware: the nasty new edition of the Brothers Grimm
- William R. Bascom, African Dilemma Tales, Mouton, 1975
- Esiaka et al., Dilemma Tales as African Knowledge Practice, Frontiers in Psychology, 2020
- William R. Bascom, African Folktales in the New World, Indiana University Press, 1992
- Wikipedia, Moʻolelo, on the compound origin of the term and the 1896 language ban
- Lilikalā Kameʻeleihiwa on kaona, cited in Electric Literature, This Hawaiian Storytelling Chant Is Great Literature Without the Written Word
- EBSCO Research Starters, Whakapapa, on Māori genealogy, kinship, and land rights
- Aarne-Thompson-Uther index, the standard international classification of folktale types

